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Jared Thomas's avatar

This chapter was a great reminder of Christs sacrifice and some of the reasoning that goes along with why He did what He did.

My question to you is:

Was Athanasius a Universalist?

On page 51 he says -

“Thus, taking a body like our own, because all our bodies were liable to the corruption of death…”

All either means everyone (which would be true biblically as Romans 3:23 says) or it means all of us believers, but It seems to me he is referencing all of humanity because he says all of our bodies which we know is true of unbelievers as well.

He goes on to say -

“This He did out of sheer love for us so that in His death all might die, and the law of death thereby be abolished because, having fulfilled in His body that for which it was appointed, it was thereafter voided of its power for men”

The unspecific words he uses here makes me think he’s talking of humanity as a whole and not believers. It would have been very easy to qualify this statement of “men” to “men who have put their faith in Jesus”. Because his previous “all” and his later “all” are not qualified by words like believers or unbelievers, this leads me to believe he made no distinction in his own theology and was universalist.

He also says on page 52 that he thinks Christs death has put an end to corruption for all others. Again this is a weird way to put this if he wasn’t a universalist.

We as Christian’s believe death has no hold on us because of what Christ accomplished on the cross. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I would say death still has a hold on unbelievers but Athanasius seems to believe that the “corruption of death has ceased to be” (p. 53). Maybe my theology is wrong here so correct me if I’m off base.

Sorry for the long response but I wanted to bring up most of what I noticed while reading. Let me know what you think!

Jaelynn Leininger's avatar

Okay this chapter spurred on so many thoughts! Here's some word vomit!!

- I loved Page 48-49. Restorer and Redeemer is who God is; it is His nature. He had no other choice but to intervene and save because it's what He does. He restores. He redeems. He makes new. There is no way He could've neglected us and left us to our own destruction because it goes against the very character of God. Praise God!

- Page 50 explains why we needed Jesus to know God deeper. He stooped to our level to show us Himself in a way we can understand and grasp. He wants to be known! He wants to be near! He is not a far-off God. Praise God!

- Page 51 says, "make them alive through death by the appropriation of His body and by the grace of His resurrection. Thus, he would make death to disappear from them as utterly as straw from fire." And it just had me thinking, do I live like this is true? Do I live like death has no claim on me because of Christ's death and resurrection? It's so empowering to remember this truth!

And now for my many, many questions 😄

- Right at the beginning of the chapter he explains how the human race is in the process of destruction, was disappearing, and God's work was being undone. I could think of two different views Athanasius could hold (maybe there's more). Do you think Athanasius held the view that humanity is progressively getting worse and worse and growing deeper and deeper into sin as the generations come (pessimistic end times view)? Or do you think he is saying that humanity has already entered into their full capacity of destruction and we need God's grace to keep us from getting there? I'm curious because with the first view, would he believe that we are 'further from God' today than the people who lived 1000 years ago?

- Page 49 says, "men came under the power of corruption proper to their nature." I just need help understanding what he means by 'proper to their nature.'

- On Page 50 he says, "He saw, too, how unthinkable it would be for the law to be repealed before it was fulfilled." I'm confused on how the law was going to be repealed in Athanasius's hypothetical scenario. What is he talking about here?

- I also just need help processing HOW Christ's death defeated death. HOW is it that corruption dies through Christ's death? I'm thinking the answer has something to do with unity to Christ and the great exchange... Christ took on the death of His church so that His church wouldn't have to die? Can someone put this into their own words so I can keep processing it? 😆

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